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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Just Fine:

  I have completely agreed with you that as long as the law doesn't prevent a clergy member from reporting it, it should be reported. I have stated that through out this thread.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Just Fine:

  I am sorry that happened to you and that it was not handled properly. And like I said, I never stated that the elders were right in not reporting it, as long as the law allows them to report it to the police. And obviously you were a victim because of your association with a congregation and if you were associated with a congregation that horrible act would not have occurred. But my point is that not all child abuse cases are like your case where unless you were associated with a group the abuse would never have happened. Unfornuently, familial child abuse is much more common than when is perpetrated by a friend or stranger. My point in stating about that family abuse is that no matter who those victims families associated with there was still a strong likelihood of the abuse occurring.

  But my point is that not all child abuse cases are like your case where unless you were associated with a group the abuse would never have happened. Unfornuently, familial child abuse is much more common than when it is perpetrated by a friend or stranger. My point in stating about that family abuse is that no matter who those victims families associated with there, was still a strong likelihood of the abuse occurring. And of course just one act of abuse is terrible and unthinkably awful by anyone, and should be reported to law enforcement, but unfortunately, association with organizations is hard to stop that first instance of family child abuse.
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  161

  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Just fine:

  You are being naive. You do not read my comments with an open mind. You feel that as soon as Watchtower and Child Abuse is said in the same sentence that Watchtower is guilty. That may or not be so, but that is how you come off to me with your statements.

  I said the initial abuse would have occurred no matter what. Again I agreed with you that the elders should have handled the situation better including the reporting to the police. But that the abuse would have occurred either way, even if it was just once, it would most likely have occurred.
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  161

  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

  1. 
  2. 
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  Richard Oliver

  Just Fine:

  I agree with you, that the elders should have acted. But I think you would agree that either way, that victim would still have been victimized if they were a JW, a Catholic, an Athiest or Mormon? If it was a father that molested his daughter, he would still have been her father no matter what. Would instead of 20 instances of abuse it could have been cut to 15 instances of abuse or even 10, certainly that could have been the case if the elders had acted and reported to the police, but that first act would have most likely still have occurred.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  2. 
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  Richard Oliver

  Just fine:

  Again I never said that they were right in not reporting it to the police or at the very least strongly encouraging that family report it. I just said that they did not gain access to the victims because they were associated with a congregation.
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  161

  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Giordano: If you have a reference for the belief that these "not a JW member", meant that it was they were not JWs at the time that would be interesting to see. But it could also be that a child of a JW was molested by a teacher, other relative, stranger or a number of other aspects, and the Elders reported it to the Branch for record keeping purposes only. It could be the case that it was that it just applies to those that committed the crime prior to becoming a JW, but that is why I ask because there is no indication in the analysis that I am reading.
  
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  Sisters as Ministerial Servants?

  by Spoletta in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.

  she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.

  anyone else pick up on this?

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  Richard Oliver

  Never a JW:

  I can only say what the video that was produced by Watchtower speaks of and it highlights the qualities that are found in Titus of spiritually older women.
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  Sisters as Ministerial Servants?

  by Spoletta in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.

  she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.

  anyone else pick up on this?

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  Richard Oliver

  Diogenesister: I never made the assertion that all religions or even all Christian religions do not ordain women. There are plenty of them, but my point was that you have to lay the same criticism down on all of the religions that do not ordain or put women in positions of power. That would include two religions that total about 2 billion people, Catholics and Muslims.
  
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Orphan crow:

  I am not going to get into an argument over this. My assertion in saying that they were familial cases of abuse was that, they did not gain access to their victims by their association with a congregation. I did state that the Elders should have reported the matter to the police and done a better job of supporting the victim. I made that statement to indicate that unfortunently, those victims would likely have been abused no matter what religious or secular association that the perpetrator was associated with.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  It should be noted, and you can be as skeptical as you want with what Watchtower says but they do indicate (Dates indicated were as of July 20, 2015):

  In the last six months in South Australia, elders have been directed to report three separate instances of alleged child sexual abuse (two of which concerned sexting) to the secular authorities using the Child Abuse Report line.

  In Victoria, the elders were directed to report a matter to the police involving a sexual offence committed against a 15 year old. Additionally, last year in Victoria, the elders were directed to report a matter involving child sexual abuse unless they could satisfy themselves that the matter had already been reported to the police.

  Of course the timing of those reporting cases could be indicated by the fact that they were going to be investigated by ARC but at the very least the ARC is forcing Watchtower Australia to report it which is a benefit and not a determinant to law enforcement.